FEATURE: Spotlight: Cardinals — Music Musings & Such

FEATURE:

Spotlight

Cardinals

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A very special band…

who are already tipped as future legends, I wanted to spend some time with Cardinals. Ireland are producing some incredible artists at the moment. Maybe not a new trend, we are seeing more Irish acts spotlighted and written about. I am going to include a few interviews and features around Cardinals. First, going back to last year, DIY got to know a wonderful band who I feel are going to be festival headliners in years to come:

“Cardinals are, by all accounts, firmly on course to become Ireland’s next great success story. Having been co-signed by the nation’s premiere alt-rock flag-bearer Grian Chatten, the months since their arresting debut single ‘Roseland’ have seen them flourish in earnest; evoking melancholic nostalgia and tentative hope in equal measure, their ambitious sound - set to be crystallised in this summer’s self-titled debut project - draws as much from The Cure and trad folk sensibilities as it does from contemporary shoegaze textures.

A distinct product of their Cork stomping ground, Cardinals are markedly skilled at creating both widescreen drama and understated, poignant emotion - both of which, unsurprisingly, hit hardest when experienced live. To mark the recent announcement of their six-track EP (and its accompanying UK and Ireland tour), we caught up with the band to learn more about the Cork scene, their musical light-bulb moments, and a particularly, er, interesting dinner proposition.

What were the first song(s) you developed an obsession for?

Euan [Manning, guitar and vocals]: ‘Ring Of Fire’ by Johnny Cash; Mum and Dad would put it on in the car. ‘Love is a burning thing’ - what a line.

Aaron [Hurley, bass]: ‘2.45am’, by Elliot Smith. When I discovered that album in the summer of 2021 I was in complete awe. I used to listen to it front to back and back again when I was working in a canteen, it was constantly down my ears. I woke up really early one morning, got the first bus to Cork City and bought my first acoustic guitar. I tried learning ‘2.45am’ with no prior experience and now whenever I hear that opening progression it brings me back to 18 year old me butchering it in my old bedroom.

Finn [Manning, accordion]: The poignancy of the walk-down bass line from Leonard Cohen’s guitar in ‘The Partisan’ is always something that has grabbed me, even from the first time I heard the song. The trill of the higher end notes on the guitar are gallant, and support the sad, yet heroic lyrics regarding the story of a French rebel in Vichy France. What I love about Cohen is his timelessness; stories of resistance to oppression are as important today as ever.

Darragh [Manning, drums]: ‘Archangel’, by Burial. I remember being in a coffee shop with my mam when I was 10 or 11. It’s a coffee shop that we visited frequently that had a vinyl shop over it - they always played good music. I can’t remember what I loved about the track back then since it was over ten years ago, I probably just thought it was catchy. But today I can appreciate how crunchy the drums sound and how gloomy the overall track is. I remember immediately downloading it to my iPod at the time.

Oskar [Gudinovic, guitar]: ‘This Is The Day’, by The The. It provided a feeling of comfort for me during a time of great change. I found it, listened to it excessively, and never got sick of it. It still follows and haunts me, even after my obsession has passed. I generally believe the best pop songs pull equally from euphoria and sorrow, and this song was the first time I realised that.

You hail from Cork - can you tell us a bit more about the music scene there at the moment? Where do Cardinals fit in with the area’s other emerging artists?

Cork’s ethos when it comes to music is very DIY, people put on shows wherever they can. It’s very exciting, some of our favourite artists are here in Cork. We take what we can from the city and are constantly looking for people that are doing new and exciting things. Cork’s small but it has lots of character, and that’s definitely reflected in the scene and its people. I like to think everyone’s hitting off each other and taking inspiration - the idea that people are making great music makes you want to get up and do something yourself: write a song, put on a gig, join a band.

‘Cardinals’, your debut EP, is set to arrive in June. In what ways does it capture or reflect you as a band? And what aspect of the project are you most proud of?

I think the EP captures our feeling as individuals living in Cork city; of course our artistic and musical influences permeate through the record, but it very much comes from our own experiences. It’s a confession really, like getting something off our chests. We’re proud of doing something that’s inherently us - I reckon that’s all you can be proud of when it comes to the songs.
Your sound incorporates ‘80s indie-pop, elements of trad folk, shoegaze and more. As a five-piece, how do you go about negotiating these different influences and creative perspectives?

It comes very naturally now - we spend so much time together that sharing ideas and thoughts is easy and free. We don’t deliberately try to incorporate different influences when writing, we just go for what feels right, constantly pushing each other to try new ideas and go further. The process is invigorating and reaffirming; it helps that we’re so close.

You’ve just announced your debut tour of the UK and Ireland. What’s on your rider, and what three things can people expect from a Cardinals show?

Bottle of Paddy on the rider. I reckon people can expect to dance, to have fun, and to maybe meet the person they love as well (hopefully)”.

I am going to move to a feature from January. CLASH looked back on a breakthrough year for the band. If you do not know about Cardinals then you need to check them out as soon as possible. It is interesting reading CLASH’s words and charting some of the key events from 2024. A band who are very much on the radar now:

“Irish band Cardinals supported New York’s Been Stellar on their UK and Irish tour a few weeks back, and before their Glasgow gig at King Tuts Wah Wah Hut we took the opportunity to talk Aaron Hurley (bass) and brothers Euan Manning (guitar, vocals) and Finn Manning (accordion) about their eventful year.

Catching them in reflective mode as 2024 drew its final breaths, Cardinals looked back on a year that saw them release their self-titled debut EP in June 2024 on So Young Recordings. A myriad of highlights saw the band end their breakout year with two show sin New York. Completed by Darragh Manning (drums) and Oskar Gudinovic (guitar), the Irish group blend indie rock heft with folk-hewn introspection, their poetic songwriting earning comparisons to R.E.M. in the process.

Julia Mason traces their story.

I first saw you at Left of the Dial, Rotterdam in October 2023, and you released the single ‘Roseland’ your first on So Young Recordings the following month. How did working with the label come about?

Aaron: We started talking to So Young in February of 2023 so there was quite a long period between us starting talking to them and then releasing something with them. We recorded the EP in August 2023 and that was just before we went to Left of the Dial. The campaign started then with ‘Roseland’ the month after.

Can you tell me a little about your experience at Left of the Dial, because it’s such an important festival. They managed to capture bands just at the right time.

Aaron: It was great for us, it was the first time going and playing in Europe, so not the UK or Ireland. We had so much fun at it, we got to stay in a hostel together, and we were having great fun. First show was at Perron Small and then every show we played, I suppose a bit of word would get around and we would get more people. We did three shows and the last show was pretty busy, people knew the words from being at the show the day before. Such a cool experience.

Euan: They are so good there. They just take care of everyone so well. We had a nice place to stay and you got good food, and they were just super friendly in. You always get that in Holland, I always love playing in Holland.

So getting onboard with So Young was quite early for you.

Euan: We weren’t necessarily shopping around for labels, it just happened.

Finn: We were kind of gigging for fun, just doing the scene in the city, and I had only joined the band a couple of months before. Did not expect it! Euan sent me a text one day when I was at work to say we’ve got news to tell you when you get home about labels and managers. We decided to get serious, very exciting. And they’re great, So Young.

With the release of the EP, and this is a compliment, you don’t have necessarily a distinct sound because the songs are quite varied. Is that fair and is that something that you wanted to embrace and showcase with your debut EP?

Aaron: I think with that EP we were trying to showcase range and the broader aspects of Cardinals, but I do think that we have a sound now that is quite a distinctive sound, and something that we’re pursuing is a specific set of themes and things like that, musically. But I do think that the EP was a broad range.

Euan: I think the EP came about as we were playing mostly in Cork, and we’ve written songs mostly in Cork, and it was just like, these are the songs we have. And that’s a reflection of band in the moment. This is us right now. As we move forward, we’re looking at making more of a statement, maybe something that’s a bit more together thematically and sonically. But at the time that was just us and we were quite happy to put ourselves out there as a group that had come together as friends.

And it’s very natural that you would evolve. Look at the year that you’ve had, that’s going to have an influence I suspect on your music and your view going forward. I know you’ve talked in previous interviews about Cork and how important it is to you, but now you’ve experienced so much more in the last 12 months. I’m guessing that’s going to seep into your songwriting.

Finn: We’re writing a lot of new stuff at the moment, and Cork is still clearly very important to what we’re doing. And you can see that pop up in lyrics and how we play. So maybe not moving away from that but taking on the experiences we’ve had because we’ve had a very busy year this year.

You had your first headline UK and Ireland tour in 2024. How was that? Nerve wracking or exciting?

Aaron: A bit of both. The first show was kind of nerve wracking. We played our first show in Birmingham, and that was like, “Okay, this is a headline tour” but we found a groove pretty quickly. I remember playing in Glasgow and feeling totally at home on tour and thinking “This is great, I’m enjoying this a lot.” It went well, and I think the nerves went away pretty quickly.

Euan: And London really finished it off (at the Windmill Brixton). There were a few familiar faces and a big crowd in a full room”.

I am going to finish with this feature from DORK. Taking in (and conquering) New York to writing their own rulebook, it seems that this band have the ammunition, belief and talent to go so far in the industry. A stunning live band who have a legion of fans around the world, there will be questions as to whether we will get a debut album later this year. It is something that we cannot rule out at the moment:

“Fever-dream esque meetings with heads of state aside, it’s been a busy year for the Cork natives, with their self-titled EP being released in June, and new song ‘Get It’ following in early October. Throw in support slots with Kings of Leon, festival appearances, and their first ever headline tour, and it’s a hell of a schedule for a band right out the gate.

“We’re so busy we don’t have time to think about it,” says Euan. “There’s no time off, but in a nice way. It’s a good build.”

“We’ve no time to dwell on it, so it doesn’t feel momentous in the moment.” agrees bassist Aaron Hurley. “It definitely doesn’t feel like we’re established as a band yet. I don’t know if a band is truly established until they release their debut album – maybe not even then. There’s always something else to achieve, so it’s hard to pick a point and say: ‘we’ve made it’.

A philosophy of taking it moment by moment and constantly reaching the next milestone isn’t unique to the band, but the ease with which they’ve hit new levels one after the other just might be. Since releasing their first single ‘Amsterdam’ just a couple of years ago, they’ve ploughed their own furrow with a sound which sometimes settles near Echo & The Bunnymen, sometimes REM, and sometimes somewhere completely different. Latest single ‘Get It’ is yet another shift, half love-song and half melancholic reflection on peoples’ changing natures, it’s also maybe the poppiest track they’ve released to date. “The reaction’s been class,” says Oskar. “It’s even reached America pretty well.”

“We’re breaking America!” laughs Euan, to grins from his bandmates. “We just wanted to write a pop song, so we did. I think we succeeded in that, or I hope so, anyway.”

This restlessness, coupled with a healthy dose of self-confidence, is at the core of a band who aren’t content to find a sound and stick safely within its boundaries, but instead seem keen to constantly try new things from song to song. Despite this wide range of influences, Euan’s unique vocals and the looming presence of key touchpoints like Cork, the city they’re from, ensure they’ll never be mistaken for another band, no matter how adventurous their next single. “We’re writing the album at the moment, and there is a feeling of making it more thematically and sonically consistent,” acknowledges Euan. “It’s coming together very strongly, and I feel like it’s in a good place. An album is a statement, so it’ll be quite different to the EP in that regard.”

“We look at the EP as a collection of songs,” adds Aaron. “Thematically it isn’t continuous – there’s a lot of experimentation there and we wrote them quite a while ago, so there’s a difference from the album. Those songs from the EP are still evolving though, we make new connections with them every time we play them live.”

Making those connections without slipping into autopilot is what makes Cardinals’ shows such a draw, with every venue we’ve seen them at being packed to the rafters with dedicated fans – something which is even more impressive considered how new they still are. Most gigs abroad are in countries they’re playing for the first time, but fans seem to be waiting expectantly everywhere they go. When we speak to them, they’re gearing up for their first ever transatlantic gigs, playing two shows in The Big Apple before the year is out. “We’ve not played New York before – I don’t think any of us have even been there before!” says Euan. “We’re looking forward to taking in the Christmas feeling, going to Macy’s or skating on an ice rink or something. I dunno, whatever it is they do over there.” He says with a laugh.

Part of the joy for any band is the opportunity to fly thousands of miles away and experience a new country while technically claiming it’s all for work and you’re definitely not only doing it so you can see the Statue of Liberty and take photos of yellow taxicabs (No, just us? – Ed). But distance can also reduce a band down to a few broad strokes in the eyes of wherever they’re going, with a band like Cardinals running the risk of being labelled one-dimensionally as an ‘Irish band’, with none of the nuance that entails. “You can definitely feel the fetishisation of Irish culture, both in the UK and the US, and further afield.” says Euan. “But that doesn’t mean we’re going to throw away or neglect our heritage. We’re quite proud Irish men, and proud Cork men as well. We just take it in our stride. There is a lot to take from our cultural identity, and there’s no point putting that on the backburner just because we’re afraid of people fetishising it.”

This pride in where they’re from can be felt in lyrical references to Cork, sprinkled through Cardinals’ songs, and the inspiration taken from the city’s literary heritage. “We all still live in the city, and we’re reading writers or artists like Kevin Barry and Frank O’Connor, we’re listening to The Frank and Walters, or the Sultans of Ping – Cork is still a huge part of who we are.” Euan says. “But that’s not to say we aren’t pulling from all over the place as well. Nowadays it’s so easy to get your hands on different media, different books, so of course that has an impact on our songs and will do on the album, too”.

I am going to leave things there. I am fairly recent to Cardinals but it is obvious that they are a very special band. After a debut album comes out, no doubt they will be headlining stages and embarking on a world tour. So soon into their career and they have already achieved so much. Ireland is giving us some of the most important talent of the past decade or so. When it comes to this force of nature…